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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

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as well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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I can't believe that what am I looking

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at what is that on the sky look at that

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strange object it's just standing still

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I don't understand it it's absolutely

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otherworldly it couldn't possibly have

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been made here on earth but but what

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what is that is it it's surrounded by

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helicopters I don't understand it what

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would they be doing surrounded by

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military helicopters although all these

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black helicopters they seem to be

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leaving the object off Tim can you

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explain this to me I don't know but if

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you look closely enough on the bottom

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there Tim I think it says made in Japan

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ah or China China I don't know Tim I

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don't think it's an extraterrestrial

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craft but you know you talk about made

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in China that's about the only country I

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don't think that I've heard where UFOs

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terrestrial UFOs might be made I mean

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we've heard everything over the years of

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course some people said the Russians

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were doing it you and I tend to believe

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it might be some leftover German

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Japanese I think Nick Redford goes for

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that one but Chinese and UFOs I don't I

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that one but we're gonna hear a lot of

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strange things tonight I'm sure I mean

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maybe not so strange to us but is our

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listeners closed in and in turn up the

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the volume we're going to really throw

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some wild information at them

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speculation perhaps but backed by some

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very solid evidence because our two

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guests this evening are very well

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plugged in to the secret space program

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would you say that Tim oh yes definitely

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and and you know when we talk about the

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secret space program you know we're not

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talking about the secret space program

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that I guess was recently featured in

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the

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move on at a conference oh my god no

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yeah well but I think I think our guests

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have a lot more going on for them on the

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the veracity of their information so you

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know if you if you want to know about

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the secret space program you know the

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exploring the bizarre you know that's

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the show to listen to well that and

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that's our show so why don't you tell us

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who's going to be joining us this

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evening and we get on with the show

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my pleasure Tim well we have with us

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tonight Linda Zimmerman and Michael

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strat now Linda who has been on our show

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before is a research chemist

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on science history the paranormal and

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fiction her ghost investigator series of

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books led to comic books based on her

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cases and her novel Hudson Valley zombie

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apocalypse I love the name was turned

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into a graphic novel and she also

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starred in an award-winning documentary

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in the night sky

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based on her research into UFO sightings

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in the Hudson Valley and one of her

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books that we've we've talked about

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previously is more Hudson Valley UFOs

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and our other guest tonight is Michael

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rat Michael is a military aerospace

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historian who is lectured across the

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country on the subject of mystery

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propulsion systems that are buried deep

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within the military industrial complex

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Michael has developed a number of

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contacts who have first-hand experience

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dealing with the whole classified you

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know black budget programs including

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engineers who have Maine Dade who have

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so Michael Linda thank you very much for

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being with us tonight on exploring the

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bizarre Wow

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you know I can't wait to it to get into

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this and I think I'll start out Michael

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you know we we have met but and of

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course I've listened to

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few of your ll lectures but I don't

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really know too much if anything about

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your background did you start out as a

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UFO investigator who believes in the ETH

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the extra-terrestrial hypothesis do you

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still believe in that now I notice we

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have a a manuscript that you wrote

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that's on the internet about to crash

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UFO retrieval so that does come to mind

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what did you just tell us a little bit

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about your background and how you got to

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where you are today sure sure no problem

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35 years ago I guess that the best place

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to start would be at the Oshkosh air

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show in Wisconsin where I had been going

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for four decades now and it's really the

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largest air show in the world and always

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fascinated by aircraft and I just wanted

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to find out what was going on behind the

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scenes aircraft that you might see at an

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I started piecing it together that this

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could be twenty thirty forty years

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already obsolete I wanted to know what

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was going on behind the scenes where our

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tax dollars are disappearing what type

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programs are exempt from congressional

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oversight and public scrutiny and that

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was the start of my research now how

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about as far as like UFOs go did you

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have a little background in that I'd

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read on the subject I certainly read on

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the subject but being close to 2457 West

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Peterson Avenue which is the

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headquarters for Koufos I was given

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access to their vast 60,000 archive file

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collection and it's been about three

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years going through all 60,000 cases

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picking out the best cases that had a

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multi-page description and a very good

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sketch and that was kind of the genesis

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of the research well we are at speaking

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of Koufos and dr. Hynek we are

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celebrating this week the anniversary of

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the release of Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind that's me yeah the Moot yeah

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the movie is that back in the year the

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theaters in limited they're released for

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a week and it was it was an exciting

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film when it came out I know it's one of

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the movies that I've seen more than

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more than once quite a few times I never

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seem to get tired of it I probably

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happen in three different DVD DVD

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formats did you ever believe that UFOs

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are war extraterrestrial that some of

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them are do you believe that today I

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keep an open mind but I also know that a

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significant majority of aircraft that we

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might see in the sky that are perhaps

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identified as extraterrestrial UFOs are

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definitely in point of fact a number of

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deep black programs procured by the

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military industrial complex specifically

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been taken over by Boeing so at this

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point it's reached a factor where the

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form fit and function of these crafts

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mimic the actual article so it's it's

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that there are extraterrestrial I think

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they're interdimensional or something

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else but we're going to just use that

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phrase to cut to the to the chase do you

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think that some of these crafts like I I

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started out with my little get there the

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cache land of a case I mean do you think

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that some of these crafts are have been

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back engineered mmm that's the 64

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million dollar question that we're all

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trying to answer that's a difficult

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bridge to cross I don't have any

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physical evidence to make that leap I'm

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open to it but what I try to do is I

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look at the physical characteristics

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based on the eyewitness reports of what

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and when you put that together as a

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tapestry you start getting a pattern

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recognition and you can start to see

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this jigsaw unraveling itself just to

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of the Hudson Valley boomerang and also

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this similar characteristics now like I

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mentioned earlier I'm open to the et

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hypothesis but just by looking at the

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structure the the function of these

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vehicles we're seeing tubes pipes and

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we're hearing a low-frequency electrical

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humming noise like a transformer or a

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sewing machine we're seeing multicolored

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flashing lights on the bottom of these

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craft but not random or haphazard we're

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seeing a very distinctive pattern of

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Reds going off blues going off yellows

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the length of these flying boomerang

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shaped craft so when you put this all

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together and the fact that a lot of

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seeing that there may be a man-made

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component to this but I always keep an

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open mind because as Linda has pointed

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out in her multiple books sightings of

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these craft in the Hudson Valley New

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York area date back prior to 1900 so

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Lockheed skunkworks

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wasn't invented that so someone's

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building these well well now let's get

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to the cache random case I mean that's

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the one that's the one that comes to

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about earth made saucers because it was

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surrounded by military helicopters and

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there were several witnesses there were

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two ladies in the car and the young boy

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who have actually heard on the air he

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has done a couple of podcasts and he's

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six pretty much with the the original

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story they they were driving along with

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it in Texas right hoffmann Texas

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Colby Landrum were driving down kind of

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a deserted dark road after 9 p.m. and it

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was Colby who identified the craft first

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he saw this brilliantly lit white light

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approaching the vehicle and then all of

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a sudden and this put the fear

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of God and all three of the eyewitnesses

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I mean they thought that this was

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something otherworldly they were

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horrified this thing parked itself no

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more than 150 feet in front of their

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vehicle they were horrified they were

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scared

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and was watching this for well over a

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minute and what what it looked like was

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stack and n with the with the thick ends

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connecting each other and this thing was

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bobbing above the concrete paved section

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there and every time it would go up the

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flames would come out of the bottom of

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it and then as it was bobbing down the

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flame would go off and so it looks like

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something was going on with the

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propulsion system immediately after this

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sighting took place they all suffer the

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effects of acute radiation sickness and

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poisoning so there was definitely a

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man-made component as you mentioned

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there were 23 double rotors ch-47

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chinook helicopters that were

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shepherding this craft along with what

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we believe to be a sikorsky sky crane

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and to uh-1 attack helicopters

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absolutely a man-made component to this

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and this isn't the first time that

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helicopters have been seen shepherding

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aircraft in the Texas area so there's a

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pattern recognition here as well the the

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officials with the Air Force when

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questioned about this said this couldn't

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about anything of ours because this is

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during a holiday and you know everybody

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was home with their families all I would

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say to that is if you look at the Atomic

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Energy Commission the US Air Force and

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US Navy by 1960 they already spent nine

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hundred and ninety million dollars on

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the NEPA program that's the nuclear

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energy for propulsion of aircraft by

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1960 they already blew almost a billion

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dollars of R&D funding on it now you

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know they got something for their money

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and it's it's certainly appears that

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there was a hull breach and their

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reaction reactor and fissionable

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material started spewing out of the

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bottom of this craft

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and and this is what perhaps caused the

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radiation sickness do you know did

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anybody else reported a UFO sightings

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that evening in the general their eye

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witnesses beside those three that saw it

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so it wasn't just them and here's the

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interesting part when you talk to John

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Schuessler about this he said he's a bit

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close hold about this case but he will

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tell you that when he got there he took

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photographs of the scorched concrete

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pavement and then we found out later

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that the Army Corps of Engineers came in

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and they dug up the pavement and repaved

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it and then two weeks later they came

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back and they did it again they dug up

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the road a second time so right there it

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tells you that their government

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involvement all right if this was a

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secret black project aircraft any

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has there been any scuttlebutt on where

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it may have originated from and where it

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was escorted to afterwards from what

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I've been able to determine that this

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was basically a stealthy troop transport

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out of gray Army Airfield I believe

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that's the origin point and there is

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some indication that seems to basically

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support the theory that there is an

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underground facility there because we've

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had Cessna 172 pilots that have made

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emergency landings on these very strange

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runways there so that's that was

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procured within the Leonard Stringfield

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reports mm-hmm and I had actually heard

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somewhere along the line that that this

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aircraft may have actually been intended

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to use in Iran during the during the

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ill-fated rescue attempt that it was

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that it was it was supposed to come in

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and basically you know act as like a

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decoy and blind everybody and and then

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the real helicopters would you know come

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in and that's possible

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I wouldn't also want to mention too that

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during this whole scene that this is

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taking place this craft was making a

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very loud beeping noise as this was all

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going on and after

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this event took place the United States

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Army contacted Betty cash and personally

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offered to buy her car hmm so I just

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wonder why and she didn't sell I don't

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think she sold it no but she was a

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crusader all the way to the end well

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yeah well she actually took the the

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government to declare it that's how her

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or was the military I can't remember

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which or maybe both you know and and and

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didn't did the government actually offer

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to settle out of court not that I'm

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aware of the judge never heard their

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case it was never hurt other girls it

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never went they it was never heard by a

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judge Wow yep yeah well and considering

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the physical symptoms that they all

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exhibited it after the fact I mean you

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know they definitely had encountered

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something you know you can't tell me

382
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that you know the loss of hair the

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cancer the the handprint that basically

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had been melted into the dashboard very

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well done yes yeah during the event

386
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yet it was it was really ignored you

387
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know people just like oh yeah haha you

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know they sure it happened it just it

389
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boggles my mind how and you know and you

390
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although this this has not been the only

391
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case where you know such physical

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evidence has come about from Close

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Encounters like that and it just tends

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to be ignored I agree with you because

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this is really ranks up there as one of

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the top three UFO cases within this

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field and yet it's almost totally

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forgotten and it's right up there at the

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top it has all the parameters of a of a

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class one case and yet it's almost

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completely forgotten now how far back

402
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would you say within now I mean you know

403
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the Air Force oh no didn't

404
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really didn't begin until 1947 but you

405
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know you have the army air force how far

406
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back do you think we can go when it

407
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comes to producing experimenting

408
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researching these types of exotic types

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of aircraft

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I'd have to say from the very beginning

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from the very beginning yep and then but

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what I like to focus in on the the

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origin point for me on the modern day

414
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classified black program starts in 1977

415
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with the first test flight of the

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Lockheed have blue proof of design

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concept demonstrator at Groom Lake area

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51 with Ben rich and Kelly Johnson

419
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watching the whole thing take place that

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is the origin point of the black program

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research as far as I'm concerned for

422
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modern-day research and now and they

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have blue that was a an early prototype

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of stealth aircraft Wow that's correct

425
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that's correct though so okay now why do

426
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you think that that is for you that's

427
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the beginning because that's the point

428
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where Lockheed started having a liaison

429
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with the with the higher-ups in Pentagon

430
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brass because they were signing the

431
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checks for the skunk works in Burbank

432
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and from that point forward at that

433
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point we ran into the Reagan

434
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administration and the Reagan buildup

435
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from 1981 to 1989 we can talk about that

436
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later on but that's the origin point and

437
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then the Reagan buildup is when it

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really started started branching off

439
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from there well you know Michael but

440
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what I wonder about though is if we do

441
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have these exotic aircraft why don't we

442
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use them I mean we use them to fly over

443
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the Hudson Valley or over Phoenix or

444
00:21:01,850 --> 00:20:58,050
over some small town in Texas why don't

445
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:01,860
we use them where it where it counts let

446
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me try to break this down for you and

447
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this comes from my good friend mark

448
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McCandlish so I got to give credit to

449
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him but when we talk about these black

450
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programs and why we use some and we

451
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don't use the others he

452
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he reckons this as being three tiers of

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Technology so tier number one is your

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common ordinary garden-variety vanilla

455
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flavored aircraft like your f15 f-16

456
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f-14 tier 2 our previous black programs

457
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which have been Declassified into the

458
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so-called white world now for example

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that would be the f-117 stealth fighter

460
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b-2 stealth bomber Boeing phantom works

461
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bird of prey tier three are classified

462
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unacknowledged special access programs

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which have virtually no congressional

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oversight and circumvent the established

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laws of physics kind of like the Belgium

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triangle Hudson Valley boomerang and the

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tr-3b or the Teledyne Ryan 3b so those

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are the three categories or the three

469
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tiers of Technology well I mean are they

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ever going to to tell the public about

471
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this or is it always going to remain a

472
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closely guarded classified secret well

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the last time we had something unveiled

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for us as taxpayers of a manned black

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program was during the Bush

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administration in 2002 when Boeing

477
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fantomworks Berta play prey was

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Declassified that's the last time we've

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had anything so we're well overdue for

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something to be reinvade but I don't see

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anything coming up in the near future

482
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well you know I I remember hearing on

483
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the news I guess this goes back maybe

484
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five or six years ago I didn't work it

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down that there was an aircraft they

486
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said was able to fly from the east coast

487
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of the West Coast in 15 minutes but then

488
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you never heard anything more about it

489
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well you can talk to Linda because if

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you look at Hudson Valley boomerang and

491
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night siege we have these cases going

492
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from Horizon to Horizon in under two

493
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seconds so that's even better than that

494
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technology well we will be doing that

495
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when we come back from our first break

496
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on exploring the bizarre in a very

497
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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and Taylor Swift's Wow you know a

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Tim before we continue I did want to

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give a shout out to our friends in the

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Caribbean we have actually a few

504
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listeners in the Virgin Islands and of

505
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course along the path that the hurricane

506
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is taking up through Florida we wish

507
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them you know to be safe in the sound

508
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and that their homes not be destroyed

509
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and that everything work out for

510
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everybody and perhaps if we put enough

511
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effort and concentrate and maybe we can

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turn the hurricane a little bit to the

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offshore so it doesn't hit Miami

514
00:24:24,899 --> 00:24:21,879
directly anyway now I am of the opinion

515
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of course that some of these objects

516
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could be manufactured here on earth now

517
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I go a little bit back further than that

518
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Tim and you and I have written about

519
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this and books like the Nazi Time

520
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Traveller's book that we recently put

521
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out that the Germans as far back as the

522
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1920s we're doing their research and

523
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channeling information supposedly from

524
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beings from some other solar system and

525
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giving them information on how to build

526
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disc-shaped craft and i do believe that

527
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there is considerable a bit of evidence

528
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that at least some of the early UFO

529
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reports involved craft of this of this

530
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type and we outlined that of course in

531
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our several of our books so i do think

532
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that you know we do have both that were

533
00:25:27,570 --> 00:25:24,820
dealing with here but certainly the

534
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what goes on as far as the UFO sightings

535
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:29,919
go not all these crafts are necessarily

536
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physical in the sense some of them even

537
00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:36,820
appear to be interdimensional in origin

538
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I mean the things that they do are even

539
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beyond I think any technology that we

540
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might have at this time or even within

541
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the next 30 or 40 years if they're

542
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playing this kind of a ketchup game

543
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honest now Linda Zimmerman we've had her

544
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on the program before she is a an

545
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authority on the Hudson Valley UFO

546
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:06,399
sightings that were big in the 1980s and

547
00:26:10,019 --> 00:26:08,710
I do believe that they persist that to

548
00:26:13,950 --> 00:26:10,029
this day because she's written a number

549
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:13,960
of books on the the subject now the

550
00:26:22,019 --> 00:26:17,220
objects that were seen Linda over the

551
00:26:25,019 --> 00:26:22,029
Hudson Valley especially this triangular

552
00:26:27,539 --> 00:26:25,029
shaped device or boomerang it's been

553
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:27,549
called what what are your feelings as to

554
00:26:35,159 --> 00:26:32,169
its points of origin well I think that

555
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:35,169
we have a mixed bag because certainly

556
00:26:41,159 --> 00:26:38,590
the things Michael talks about are make

557
00:26:44,249 --> 00:26:41,169
a lot of sense the craft that had the

558
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:44,259
the beams and the valves and people

559
00:26:51,139 --> 00:26:47,610
described looking like tinker toys or

560
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:51,149
you know constructions that put together

561
00:26:59,999 --> 00:26:55,360
certainly they they seem to be man-made

562
00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:00,009
and bolstering that is that there were

563
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:04,750
two groups of pilots in the area who

564
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:09,360
were trying to hoax appearing to be UFOs

565
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:13,120
a group of Cessna pilots who called

566
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:15,970
themselves the Martians and a group of

567
00:27:22,619 --> 00:27:19,330
ultralight pilots who were risking their

568
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:22,629
licenses and careers by flying illegally

569
00:27:30,749 --> 00:27:25,799
at night ultralights are not allowed to

570
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:30,759
fly at night and despite massive

571
00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:33,730
evidence having the tail numbers of

572
00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:36,760
planes having the identities of some of

573
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:38,380
these pilots

574
00:27:46,769 --> 00:27:42,940
nothing was ever done it seemed to at

575
00:27:49,499 --> 00:27:46,779
least be pass it approval by government

576
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:49,509
agencies here who easily could have

577
00:27:55,409 --> 00:27:52,690
cracked down on these pilots and stopped

578
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:55,419
it because it was very dangerous what

579
00:28:00,570 --> 00:27:58,090
they were doing because you had people

580
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:00,580
stopping their cars in the middle of

581
00:28:07,159 --> 00:28:04,750
busy highways and getting out you had

582
00:28:09,899 --> 00:28:07,169
people getting into accidents you had

583
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:09,909
there was a case of one pregnant woman

584
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,289
who almost drove off the road so what

585
00:28:22,889 --> 00:28:18,159
they were doing was foolish if if it was

586
00:28:28,259 --> 00:28:22,899
just a prank but some of the things I

587
00:28:31,769 --> 00:28:28,269
have heard is that they were encouraged

588
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,779
let's say certainly not discouraged from

589
00:28:36,509 --> 00:28:34,240
doing what they were doing because it

590
00:28:40,619 --> 00:28:36,519
muddied the waters of whatever was

591
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:40,629
actually flying and government agencies

592
00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:43,690
and police agencies when anybody anytime

593
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:46,840
anybody called could just say oh it's

594
00:28:54,269 --> 00:28:50,049
those pilots again those hoaxing pilots

595
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:54,279
and dismiss it as that so to this day in

596
00:29:01,139 --> 00:28:56,710
fact I gave a lecture just a couple of

597
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:01,149
hours ago locally here and the subject

598
00:29:06,869 --> 00:29:03,250
of the pilots came up Oh wasn't that

599
00:29:10,369 --> 00:29:06,879
whole era just these pilots flying in

600
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:10,379
formation so it was an extremely

601
00:29:19,619 --> 00:29:14,129
effective disinformation act that

602
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:19,629
30-plus years later is still is still

603
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:22,990
effective so if you were flying some

604
00:29:32,249 --> 00:29:28,480
sort of black ops craft that would be a

605
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:32,259
great way to put some you know put the

606
00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:34,330
disinformation out there put up a cover

607
00:29:40,769 --> 00:29:38,230
story and you can continue to do what

608
00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:40,779
you were doing with impunity

609
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:44,980
however on the other hand these types of

610
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:48,330
craft had been seen for many decades

611
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:51,929
previously and another thing that

612
00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:56,129
think is shows that they I don't know

613
00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:58,470
that they could have all been government

614
00:30:10,629 --> 00:30:02,220
craft is the huge variety of shapes and

615
00:30:14,289 --> 00:30:10,639
sizes rectangles triangles disks cigars

616
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:14,299
big big triangles little triangles

617
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:18,090
literally dozens and dozens of various

618
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:20,940
shapes and sizes and and for what and

619
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:24,299
for what purpose I mean why would you

620
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:27,960
know the the secret government why would

621
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:30,809
they want to fly objects over the Hudson

622
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,799
Valley I mean what what what why why do

623
00:30:39,109 --> 00:30:36,960
that I mean just to see what reaction

624
00:30:41,509 --> 00:30:39,119
they would get that that seems like a

625
00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:41,519
gross a waste of taxpayers money but

626
00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:44,190
that wouldn't be the first time no it

627
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:46,980
wouldn't and you know we could we could

628
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:50,159
debate all night the alleged wisdom of

629
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,110
the government on many topics but you

630
00:30:59,539 --> 00:30:57,480
know perhaps they had their purposes but

631
00:31:02,509 --> 00:30:59,549
why takes something the size of a

632
00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:02,519
football field cover it in bright lights

633
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:04,950
and park it over a major highway for

634
00:31:11,779 --> 00:31:07,559
twenty minutes if it's a black ops

635
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:11,789
project it doesn't make sense to me but

636
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:14,970
then again I you know how are we to know

637
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:20,340
the workings of the government but I can

638
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,230
say that some government aircraft have

639
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:28,080
been flown over the Hudson Valley and

640
00:31:35,499 --> 00:31:31,590
somewhat recently you've probably heard

641
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:35,509
of Woodstock and a couple of years ago

642
00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:39,200
there were quite a few sightings of

643
00:31:48,919 --> 00:31:44,190
large triangular aircraft with kind of a

644
00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:48,929
greenish glow that seemed to be have

645
00:31:55,609 --> 00:31:52,590
like a green beam between the the large

646
00:31:59,119 --> 00:31:55,619
aircraft and some kind of smaller

647
00:32:03,710 --> 00:31:59,129
aircraft behind it almost as if it was

648
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,720
guiding you know somehow it was using

649
00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:05,880
this beam of light to God

650
00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:08,400
this other aircraft through the

651
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:12,180
mountains of the Catskills and local

652
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:15,330
police were and sheriff's were like well

653
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:17,370
you know what's going on here we need

654
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:20,130
some answers and they were kind of

655
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:24,810
getting stonewalled but apparently the

656
00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:28,350
sheriff for this one area was told that

657
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:32,870
aircraft that was going to be used in

658
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:37,110
Afghanistan was being tested in the

659
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:40,470
Catskills because the terrain was very

660
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:44,160
similar so they apparently have some

661
00:32:52,810 --> 00:32:48,930
sort of remotely guided aircraft that

662
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:52,820
was being tested in the Hudson Valley

663
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:57,030
well and that's there's the rub right

664
00:33:02,180 --> 00:32:58,710
there okay you know there the reports

665
00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:02,190
was that you had an aircraft surrounded

666
00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:04,830
by this greenish glow which makes it

667
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:07,470
made it you know very obvious from the

668
00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:10,230
ground and you have the the older

669
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:13,470
reports Hudson Valley with these black

670
00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:17,820
triangles that are so brightly lit you

671
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:21,420
know that you can't mistake them for you

672
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,010
know anything except something that's

673
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:25,860
really unusual yet we also we have

674
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:28,530
numerous reports of people seeing these

675
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:30,150
things you know flying over their

676
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:32,430
neighborhood and the only way that they

677
00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:33,690
could tell that there was something to

678
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:36,300
overhead was that something giant is

679
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:40,560
blocking out stars so unless that there

680
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:43,290
is something about the propulsion system

681
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:46,410
that makes them glow in the dark you

682
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:47,850
know once again you know like you said

683
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:50,790
we could speculate for days why are

684
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:55,710
these things so brightly lit that it's

685
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:57,570
almost like they're just you know asking

686
00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:01,260
to be noticed oh absolutely

687
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:04,590
in fact I just wrote an article recently

688
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,419
about the blacked out aircraft and I my

689
00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:14,879
point was we need to pay more attention

690
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,870
to those because they did not want to be

691
00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:20,460
seen

692
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:23,100
and there was a great story man was

693
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:26,040
going to take out his garbage and he put

694
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:28,580
on us his mother had installed this

695
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:31,379
unbelievably bright spotlight and aimed

696
00:34:36,919 --> 00:34:34,110
it straight out so it illuminated part

697
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:36,929
of the sky and as he's walking out the

698
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:38,490
door he said it was like something out

699
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:41,929
of Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica a

700
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:46,530
massive massive ship that took many many

701
00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:49,370
seconds to pass over and it was very low

702
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:53,190
no lights nothing to indicate you know

703
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:56,250
that it wanted to be seen and if it

704
00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:58,650
hadn't been for that spotlight his

705
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:01,230
mother had installed he said he doesn't

706
00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:02,730
even think he would have noticed it

707
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:06,120
because it made absolutely no sound and

708
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:09,420
yet here was this thing he thought it

709
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:12,650
was as big as three football fields

710
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:18,690
passing over silently over him so that

711
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:25,430
something that big flying that low

712
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:28,650
overhead and and not making a single

713
00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:34,290
sound no air disturbance nothing so was

714
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:37,860
this a government you know project where

715
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,290
they didn't want anybody to see it so

716
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:43,020
you know we can we can talk all night

717
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:44,910
back and forth about do they want them

718
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:47,010
just you know do they want to be seen do

719
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:49,050
they not want to be seen as the stealth

720
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:52,950
not stealth so I think we're dealing

721
00:36:00,610 --> 00:35:56,520
with a lot of different things and also

722
00:36:03,740 --> 00:36:00,620
in what I like to concentrate are on

723
00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:03,750
sightings that couldn't possibly have

724
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:06,600
been military aircraft and and that came

725
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:09,110
about with a group of sightings I

726
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:14,160
uncovered from 1908 to 1910 throughout

727
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,350
the Hudson Valley up through New England

728
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:18,960
up into southern Canada

729
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:24,420
so clearly it could not have been you

730
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:28,470
know black ops projects black projects

731
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:33,359
for the military that early on

732
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,579
what were these craft known to do I mean

733
00:36:41,479 --> 00:36:37,680
how many witnesses saw them and what

734
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,489
parts of the the area

735
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:43,680
it started in Bristol Connecticut in

736
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:48,599
1908 in 1909 in the Hudson Valley during

737
00:36:55,999 --> 00:36:53,220
the summer thousands of witnesses saw

738
00:37:00,079 --> 00:36:56,009
these craft they were they were very

739
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,089
large they had from one to three lights

740
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:03,599
very large spotlights many people said

741
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:04,980
it looked as though they were looking

742
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:07,920
for something they had their flight

743
00:37:14,749 --> 00:37:10,460
characteristics where they could hover

744
00:37:18,229 --> 00:37:14,759
silently they could move off extremely

745
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:18,239
fast they were seen some nights in the

746
00:37:25,339 --> 00:37:21,749
air for as long as four hours and at

747
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:25,349
heights of many thousands of feet Michel

748
00:37:31,309 --> 00:37:27,180
can probably speak to this better than I

749
00:37:33,319 --> 00:37:31,319
can but from my research one of the

750
00:37:39,499 --> 00:37:33,329
Wright brothers had set an altitude

751
00:37:42,739 --> 00:37:39,509
record of 361 feet at that time period

752
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:42,749
so clearly we didn't have airplanes that

753
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:47,249
could go that high no airplanes had yet

754
00:37:56,029 --> 00:37:52,859
flown at night in 1909 and certainly you

755
00:38:00,259 --> 00:37:56,039
know if you recall what these thick and

756
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,269
fabric planes looked like early on they

757
00:38:05,779 --> 00:38:03,599
were not equipped to carry massive heavy

758
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:05,789
searchlights and the batteries that

759
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:10,170
would have been required to to power

760
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:14,609
them and there were groups of sightings

761
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:17,430
throughout New England and southern

762
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:21,150
Canada Quebec area around Niagara Falls

763
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:25,140
the Great Lakes area out to the Midwest

764
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:28,859
and there's an there was a great article

765
00:38:36,019 --> 00:38:32,940
I came upon where a trained crew out in

766
00:38:39,529 --> 00:38:36,029
Pierre Peoria Illinois was talking about

767
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:39,539
this brightly lit which appeared to be

768
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:42,390
like a cigar shaped object that was

769
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:45,480
keeping up with the Train and this is

770
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:47,130
late at night it

771
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:49,290
following the twists and turns into

772
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:51,990
train and kept up with it and then sped

773
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:54,960
off and took off oh there there been a

774
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,740
number of reports of UFOs pacing trains

775
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:00,060
I think wasn't there one there in

776
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:03,420
indiana some years ago what Tim yeah

777
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:08,220
there central Indiana train that was I

778
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:09,810
think he was that they're coming in from

779
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:13,020
Ohio or heading out towards the the

780
00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:14,690
Bellefontaine

781
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:19,400
train yards and also there was a case in

782
00:39:25,850 --> 00:39:24,030
Kentucky where the train had rounded a

783
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,860
bend and there was a UFO with Herrera

784
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:27,900
tracks and then the Train actually has

785
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,010
struck the craft and sustained you know

786
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:35,280
recordable damage and don't forget Betty

787
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,760
Hill had her sighting she claimed up

788
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:41,520
there and in New England along the train

789
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:44,820
tracks oh yeah there I mean I'd they

790
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:48,410
seem to pick odd places and times to

791
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,920
appear for for sure but Lynda weird

792
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:55,440
where do they go to I mean like you know

793
00:40:01,070 --> 00:39:58,170
it's like Puff the Magic Dragon so to

794
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:01,080
speak I mean these things are are huge

795
00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:05,010
as you'd describe them but yet they seem

796
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:06,990
to appear for a you know a period of

797
00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:09,540
time brief period of time maybe no more

798
00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:11,840
than 10 or 15 minutes at one point it

799
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:13,860
disappears somewhere and come back a

800
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:16,200
couple of nights later where were they

801
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:21,060
going well I would love to know but one

802
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:24,450
of the articles from the 1909 time

803
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:26,670
period they put it they put it

804
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:29,310
wonderfully they said no one knows from

805
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:32,010
where they take off from or where they

806
00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:35,880
land and newspapers were paying

807
00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:39,120
reporters lots of money to fan out

808
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,150
across the area find out where these

809
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:45,000
things are coming from you know they had

810
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,710
to launch from somewhere they had to

811
00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:48,780
land from somewhere but no one ever

812
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:53,100
found from where and we can say the same

813
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:57,390
thing throughout the last 100 years no

814
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:59,370
one knows where they take off from or

815
00:41:05,260 --> 00:41:00,780
where they land

816
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:05,270
and in the case of these possible

817
00:41:11,540 --> 00:41:09,480
enormous possible military vehicles it's

818
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:11,550
the same thing I would love to know

819
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:15,210
we're in the Hudson Valley they could

820
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:18,450
have possibly something to the size of a

821
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:21,540
couple of football fields could take off

822
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:26,520
and and then land again you know you

823
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:27,870
have West Point

824
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:29,910
you have Stewart Airport but Stewart

825
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:32,280
Airport is you know a lot of people

826
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:37,890
living around it I don't know I don't

827
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:40,110
know where they're coming from or where

828
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:44,520
they're going to I think that's why some

829
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:47,610
people have speculated that these things

830
00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:51,810
could actually be a form of blimp I

831
00:41:57,590 --> 00:41:55,830
suppose a type of a type of aircraft you

832
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:57,600
know why they're able to move around so

833
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:01,380
silently so I suppose that even as large

834
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,030
as they are they could come down and the

835
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:08,220
helium or whatever is used that lifts

836
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:10,470
them can be taken out fold it up put the

837
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:14,280
back of a car and taken away well I I

838
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:23,970
don't know about the back of a car put

839
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:25,740
your clothes in it it shrinks it up you

840
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:31,980
know the vacuum cleaner a lot of

841
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:34,980
hundreds the sound would give it away

842
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:40,100
I'm sure though you know there are some

843
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:43,350
rural areas but there's there's a lot of

844
00:42:49,180 --> 00:42:46,110
people in the Hudson Valley and you know

845
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:49,190
certainly were in the 80s as well and

846
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:53,580
yet no one ever reported seeing one of

847
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:00,390
these take off or land they would just I

848
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:05,250
remember that time very very distinctly

849
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:06,780
I mean it's just like these things were

850
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:08,490
just you know make an appearance and

851
00:43:15,819 --> 00:43:13,430
then they would be gone I know that

852
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:15,829
what newspaper it was there was a number

853
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,440
of reporters who were working in their

854
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:20,000
office and they got a phone call that

855
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,089
one of these things was handing in their

856
00:43:30,299 --> 00:43:25,520
direction and they actually went to the

857
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:30,309
windows and saw this this massive object

858
00:43:33,309 --> 00:43:32,660
flying over there and flying over their

859
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:33,319
building

860
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:38,510
yet when they tried to when they tried

861
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:44,540
to write a good report about that they

862
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:47,960
were stonewalled by their editor who was

863
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:51,440
there that night with them but he told

864
00:43:56,290 --> 00:43:54,290
them that you know his boss had said

865
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:56,300
that now you're not going to write about

866
00:44:04,299 --> 00:43:59,210
that yes that was in Poughkeepsie

867
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:04,309
thank you yes I've spoken to at least

868
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:06,380
one of the reporters there and he's

869
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:10,130
still angry about that that it was one

870
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:14,319
of the most remarkable sightings the

871
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,500
rooftops full of reporters and cameramen

872
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:20,480
getting the story of their lives and

873
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:23,890
they were not allowed to write about it

874
00:44:31,569 --> 00:44:26,750
well they could certainly write about it

875
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:31,579
now well and he is he has node has at

876
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:34,430
least one of them has told his story but

877
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:38,210
again why why couldn't you talk about it

878
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:42,290
yeah I I mean even even if it were a

879
00:44:47,470 --> 00:44:44,390
military aircraft I mean talking about

880
00:44:48,579 --> 00:44:47,480
it yes it doesn't prove that it is I

881
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:48,589
mean people are still going to be

882
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,890
skeptical about it either either way you

883
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:53,839
know I mean some people are going to

884
00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:55,160
believe that they're military some

885
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:56,420
people are going to believe that they're

886
00:45:00,250 --> 00:44:58,010
extraterrestrials some people are going

887
00:45:03,460 --> 00:45:00,260
to think it's all a bunch of nonsense I

888
00:45:05,799 --> 00:45:03,470
mean so there you go of course though in

889
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:05,809
the Hudson Valley you've got so many

890
00:45:09,789 --> 00:45:07,880
people that saw these things and and

891
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:09,799
there were there people who said that

892
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:12,230
they were you know ultralights I

893
00:45:17,319 --> 00:45:14,900
remember I had a conversation with Joe

894
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:17,329
Bouchard from blue-eyed Turk Blue Oyster

895
00:45:21,850 --> 00:45:19,970
Cult because he's friends with the you

896
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:21,860
know Peter Robbins and

897
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:25,070
Peter Robbins his late sister Helen

898
00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:26,990
wheels who wrote a lot of songs for the

899
00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:29,780
band and he said I saw those things I

900
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:30,590
don't know why they're getting all

901
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:32,570
excited about it they were altar lights

902
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:37,010
well you know you could tell though from

903
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,810
the ground if you're here with plates

904
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:40,400
what the I saw I saw a film that

905
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:42,890
somebody had taken of these you know

906
00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:44,810
planes or ultralights going overhead and

907
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:46,940
you could distinctly hear you know the

908
00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:49,490
motors and then it was compared to one

909
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:52,190
of the actual you know triangular shaped

910
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,610
craft which was producing no sound at

911
00:46:01,210 --> 00:45:58,400
all so you know big difference yeah

912
00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:01,220
tonight I was speaking to someone who

913
00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:05,180
said you know he saw a back in 88 he saw

914
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:07,820
a massive silent rectangle which was a

915
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:10,310
fairly early rectangle sighting for this

916
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:13,610
area and he said yeah I saw those those

917
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:16,970
idiot pilots he said they were noisy

918
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:19,250
they couldn't hold formation he said

919
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:21,490
there was no there's no comparison and

920
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:24,650
I've been told that dozens and dozens of

921
00:46:31,090 --> 00:46:27,710
times that you know people who saw the

922
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:31,100
real thing whatever that was and and the

923
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:35,210
pilots they weren't fooled but the fact

924
00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:37,310
that they were up there doing that with

925
00:46:45,490 --> 00:46:41,000
a cover story well we're being we're

926
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:45,500
being taken over by the secret secret

927
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:50,050
break break guys we'll be back after a

928
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:52,730
momentary break

929
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:55,790
citing conversation on the secret space

930
00:47:03,880 --> 00:46:57,190
program

931
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:07,319
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932
00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:11,589
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933
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:14,260
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934
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:17,570
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935
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:21,849
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936
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:26,300
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937
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:30,470
as well as other dimensions it's time to

938
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:34,970
take back the night now your

939
00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:37,220
electrifying hosts of exploring the

940
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,680
alright welcome back to the second hour

941
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:50,240
of exploring the bizarre I'm Tim Swartz

942
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,150
tonight's we are talking with Michael

943
00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:56,000
strat and Linda Zimmerman talking about

944
00:48:03,940 --> 00:47:59,240
the secret space program see black

945
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:03,950
projects hidden aircraft and fun stuff

946
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:04,730
like that

947
00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:06,680
I have retrieval crash retrievals we got

948
00:48:10,569 --> 00:48:08,150
to get into that in a little while -

949
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:10,579
that's right alright okay but I want to

950
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:12,770
throw a couple of names out especially

951
00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:16,130
at them Michael to see what kind of

952
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:17,390
reaction I get

953
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:21,650
Gary McKenna and Bob Lazar let's start

954
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:25,210
with Gary McKenna any any truth to his

955
00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:29,990
rather out landed claims I've never met

956
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,180
the man personally I know a bit about

957
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:35,119
his story he was a Skype guest speaker

958
00:48:42,010 --> 00:48:38,569
at the mutant symposium in Las Vegas in

959
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:42,020
in July I tend to think that there's

960
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,940
something to it because he talks about

961
00:48:47,410 --> 00:48:45,920
the Navy involvement we and we know that

962
00:48:49,329 --> 00:48:47,420
there's already already been a

963
00:48:53,309 --> 00:48:49,339
connection with the NEPA program so that

964
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:53,319
seems to check out as far as the huge

965
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,180
space cruisers that he talks about I

966
00:48:59,740 --> 00:48:58,160
don't put it beyond the military

967
00:49:02,020 --> 00:48:59,750
industrial complex they could certainly

968
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,030
do it they have the technology the

969
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:04,160
reference works talks about at least

970
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:06,470
since 1954 they made a gravity

971
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:09,050
breakthrough even Greer chimes in he

972
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:10,670
confirms that as well so there's a

973
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:12,920
pattern recognition there I don't put it

974
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:15,290
beyond these guys but as far as anything

975
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:17,510
beyond that just not totally familiar

976
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:19,490
with everything that Gary had talked

977
00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:21,369
about

978
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:25,660
and Bob Lazar Bob Lazar it's such a

979
00:49:33,969 --> 00:49:29,689
difficult thing to answer bottom line is

980
00:49:36,339 --> 00:49:33,979
I would just go by the sr-71 pilots that

981
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:36,349
flew over groom Lake and would have

982
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:38,420
definitely flown over the Papoose range

983
00:49:44,589 --> 00:49:41,209
during that timeframe not one of those

984
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,599
SR pilots ever talked about anything

985
00:49:48,939 --> 00:49:46,640
being there as far as a base as far as

986
00:49:50,709 --> 00:49:48,949
secret hangars opening up you would

987
00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:50,719
think that the SR pilots would know

988
00:49:54,849 --> 00:49:52,430
because they're so intimately involved

989
00:49:56,349 --> 00:49:54,859
in the program's there they never said

990
00:50:00,729 --> 00:49:56,359
anything about it so that I'm just gonna

991
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:00,739
go buy the SR pilots well I mean would

992
00:50:06,999 --> 00:50:02,630
they would they have been allowed to say

993
00:50:08,799 --> 00:50:07,009
anything about it good question

994
00:50:11,439 --> 00:50:08,809
you know these would be the guys that

995
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:11,449
would know the best of the best the Mach

996
00:50:17,739 --> 00:50:14,689
3 sr-71 pilots if if there's anyone you

997
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:17,749
can trust it would be them and if they

998
00:50:21,699 --> 00:50:19,910
were gonna say something now I do know a

999
00:50:23,739 --> 00:50:21,709
couple of pilots I've spoke to them

1000
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:23,749
before they've never said anything now

1001
00:50:29,169 --> 00:50:25,130
maybe they saw something but I don't

1002
00:50:33,339 --> 00:50:29,179
know so at this point it's difficult to

1003
00:50:36,429 --> 00:50:33,349
say but I it's it's hard to fathom what

1004
00:50:38,789 --> 00:50:36,439
was presented in the late 1980s by Lazar

1005
00:50:44,019 --> 00:50:38,799
it's just difficult to pin that down

1006
00:50:46,179 --> 00:50:44,029
well now for those out there who who may

1007
00:50:49,059 --> 00:50:46,189
think that that this is all just you

1008
00:50:51,189 --> 00:50:49,069
know a bunch of of crazy talk that I

1009
00:50:55,569 --> 00:50:51,199
mean you know we have jet aircraft and

1010
00:50:58,959 --> 00:50:55,579
that's that's basically it you wrote a

1011
00:51:01,599 --> 00:50:58,969
very interesting piece I mean I have a

1012
00:51:06,789 --> 00:51:01,609
pdf version on it called flying saucers

1013
00:51:13,539 --> 00:51:06,799
for real and yeah and it dealt with the

1014
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:13,549
the mothballed at very top-secret saucer

1015
00:51:21,429 --> 00:51:17,390
shape aircraft that were seen it too

1016
00:51:22,449 --> 00:51:21,439
Medel Air Force Base in Florida now you

1017
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:22,459
want to talk about that a little bit

1018
00:51:28,689 --> 00:51:25,089
I've I've always found that case

1019
00:51:32,019 --> 00:51:28,699
fascinating just for the fact that if

1020
00:51:33,019 --> 00:51:32,029
this was true they managed to keep these

1021
00:51:38,049 --> 00:51:33,029
aircraft

1022
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:38,059
so secrets I mean just just so secret

1023
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:41,249
that story originates from a man named

1024
00:51:46,029 --> 00:51:43,890
Jack Pickett who is a retired US naval

1025
00:51:49,189 --> 00:51:46,039
combat veteran he is no longer with us

1026
00:51:51,979 --> 00:51:49,199
but I did spend a significant amount of

1027
00:51:55,339 --> 00:51:51,989
time with him personally got his story

1028
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:55,349
down very accurately recorded on

1029
00:52:02,899 --> 00:51:59,130
videotape multiple meetings with him so

1030
00:52:05,419 --> 00:52:02,909
I think we have a story he was he did

1031
00:52:06,949 --> 00:52:05,429
donate a bunch of his material to my

1032
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:06,959
personal collection which I'm very

1033
00:52:11,269 --> 00:52:08,609
thankful for I have a lot of his

1034
00:52:14,169 --> 00:52:11,279
original letters some of his information

1035
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:14,179
is also residing at a different

1036
00:52:18,429 --> 00:52:16,380
historical archive as well so he's

1037
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:18,439
donated at that but bottom line is

1038
00:52:25,249 --> 00:52:21,900
according to Jack Pickett it was

1039
00:52:27,169 --> 00:52:25,259
September 1967 when they were driving

1040
00:52:29,299 --> 00:52:27,179
along the perimeter of MacDill Air Force

1041
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:29,309
Base on on the opposite side of the

1042
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:31,380
chain-link fence they fought they saw

1043
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:36,029
four extremely rare unusual fascinating

1044
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:39,209
aircraft basically they were dish shaped

1045
00:52:43,939 --> 00:52:41,640
craft that measured 20 40 70

1046
00:52:46,489 --> 00:52:43,949
approximately 116 feet in diameter

1047
00:52:48,169 --> 00:52:46,499
they all had tricycle landing gear they

1048
00:52:49,969 --> 00:52:48,179
had control surfaces on the

1049
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,979
circumference of the disc there was a

1050
00:52:54,649 --> 00:52:51,839
large vertical tail at the back end of

1051
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:54,659
the disc the crew compartment was dead

1052
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:58,619
center at the midpoint of the craft

1053
00:53:04,429 --> 00:53:01,079
itself that tapered back to a very high

1054
00:53:07,759 --> 00:53:04,439
large verticals tail in the back and he

1055
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:07,769
was given access to these craft he was

1056
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:09,689
able to get some photos of these craft

1057
00:53:14,779 --> 00:53:12,119
he was even authorized to write a

1058
00:53:16,249 --> 00:53:14,789
article because these were being

1059
00:53:18,919 --> 00:53:16,259
scrapped at the time they were going to

1060
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,929
Declassified these particular birds

1061
00:53:24,169 --> 00:53:20,640
because they had quote-unquote better

1062
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:24,179
ones that had VTOL vertical takeoff and

1063
00:53:29,929 --> 00:53:27,209
landing capability so just before going

1064
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:29,939
to press according to Jack Pickett there

1065
00:53:35,899 --> 00:53:32,880
was an overflight of downtown Miami of

1066
00:53:39,279 --> 00:53:35,909
one of these more advanced VTOL designs

1067
00:53:42,019 --> 00:53:39,289
and it caused such a ruckus in Miami

1068
00:53:44,949 --> 00:53:42,029
that the word came from the highest

1069
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:44,959
echelon of the US Air Force in

1070
00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:46,490
Washington

1071
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:49,400
to delay or deny publication and that's

1072
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:51,320
where the story died so we were within

1073
00:53:56,590 --> 00:53:55,280
hours of getting a good glimpse of the

1074
00:54:00,460 --> 00:53:56,600
truth about UFOs

1075
00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:00,470
within hours literally within hours and

1076
00:54:05,050 --> 00:54:03,140
then the whole story was shelved and so

1077
00:54:07,810 --> 00:54:05,060
that in a nutshell that is the Jack

1078
00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:07,820
Picard story now I was never able to

1079
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:11,060
totally confirm Jack's account although

1080
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:14,290
I did speak to another combat veteran

1081
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:17,270
Warren BOTS who flew in the Pacific

1082
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:20,210
during World War two and he flew p-40s

1083
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:25,130
and he was a flying tiger pilot he

1084
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:29,150
claims to have seen a year earlier 1966

1085
00:54:36,730 --> 00:54:33,470
the large 116 foot diameter at hangar

1086
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:36,740
bay e at wright-patterson Air Force Base

1087
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:40,220
in 1966 so these two gentlemen their

1088
00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:42,530
stories kind of hooked up together and

1089
00:54:48,580 --> 00:54:45,220
that was the end result of that paper

1090
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,590
why and Jack Jack had been told that

1091
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:51,440
these aircraft had actually been flown

1092
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:54,890
over the Soviet Union at the time you

1093
00:55:02,290 --> 00:54:57,410
know in reconnaissance and were so fast

1094
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,300
that they were capable of exiting the

1095
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:04,880
atmosphere if they being a were built to

1096
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,650
actually do that that's what John

1097
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:08,960
Pickett told me yes I recorded his story

1098
00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:11,690
exactly as it was told to me so I've

1099
00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:14,300
always been fascinated by it too I tried

1100
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:17,390
for years to get a Declassified photo

1101
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:21,050
try to get those dislodge from the Air

1102
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:23,510
Force but I never got anywhere with it I

1103
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:26,690
never got any solid feedback and I just

1104
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:28,490
couldn't take the story any further I

1105
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:31,570
theoretically hit a brick wall with it

1106
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:34,490
there's a it is a fascinating story and

1107
00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:39,160
it just you know if true it shows that

1108
00:55:44,859 --> 00:55:42,260
the development of these types of

1109
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:44,869
aircraft go way back because I mean

1110
00:55:48,849 --> 00:55:46,790
these were these were flown what

1111
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:48,859
probably in the early to middle 60s

1112
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:52,160
before they were decommissioned and and

1113
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:54,410
you know like like our producer was

1114
00:56:00,010 --> 00:55:57,530
saying during our break

1115
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:00,020
if they were capable of doing that then

1116
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:02,690
what do we have now well what's

1117
00:56:07,570 --> 00:56:04,760
interesting is when Jack was being

1118
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,580
briefed about this by the adjutant

1119
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:09,680
general at MacDill Air Force Base

1120
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:13,840
he took Jack into a highly classified

1121
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:17,180
library at MacDill Air Force Base where

1122
00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:20,450
they had pictures motion picture film

1123
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:23,780
reels physical evidence files file

1124
00:56:29,710 --> 00:56:26,270
drawers hundreds of motion picture film

1125
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:29,720
reels they had these things on film on

1126
00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:32,450
US Air Force eight-by-ten glossy black

1127
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:34,460
and white photographs of these parked on

1128
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:37,550
the tarmac flying in formation they had

1129
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:39,530
all of it there so that would have been

1130
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,620
one of the Holy Grails to go to to get

1131
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:44,000
that physical evidence that we're

1132
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:47,090
looking for and he was given access so

1133
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:49,010
at one time I don't know if it's there

1134
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:51,170
now but at one time there appears to

1135
00:56:56,530 --> 00:56:53,690
have been a repository for this type of

1136
00:56:59,050 --> 00:56:56,540
information at MacDill that's borne out

1137
00:57:01,180 --> 00:56:59,060
by Leonard Stringfield who also talks

1138
00:57:03,580 --> 00:57:01,190
about MacDill as a place whereas a lot

1139
00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:03,590
of this was taken and so you know my

1140
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:06,580
point is it's been 70 years since the

1141
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:09,110
Kenneth Arnold sighting it's been 70

1142
00:57:15,790 --> 00:57:12,050
years since Roswell and what do we know

1143
00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:15,800
now that we you know that we didn't know

1144
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:17,990
then do we really know more about the

1145
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,430
UFO for now I'm gonna do he have an

1146
00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:21,440
answer for Roswell

1147
00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:24,020
the origin of UFOs you know an argument

1148
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:27,020
can be made we still don't know after 70

1149
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:29,690
years we still don't know the truth

1150
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:31,790
about what's going on if we don't take

1151
00:57:36,610 --> 00:57:33,530
matters into our own hands and make a

1152
00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:36,620
management decision it's just gonna slip

1153
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:39,080
by us we've got to do something and this

1154
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:41,090
is what Gordon Cooper had talked about

1155
00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:43,850
he stated that the only way that this

1156
00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:48,070
will ever come out is if the information

1157
00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:51,320
the physical evidence is put together

1158
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,590
and given to the scientific community as

1159
00:57:59,170 --> 00:57:56,960
a United coalition and they come

1160
00:58:00,730 --> 00:57:59,180
together and go over the heads of the

1161
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:00,740
military industrial complex that's the

1162
00:58:05,590 --> 00:58:03,890
only way we'll ever know but who's going

1163
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:05,600
to release this information I know

1164
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:09,430
that's the thing part we

1165
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:12,700
it can't just be just documents it's got

1166
00:58:18,749 --> 00:58:16,660
to be a whole an entire stream of

1167
00:58:20,759 --> 00:58:18,759
evidence we need the eight-by-ten

1168
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:20,769
glossies we need the gun camera footage

1169
00:58:26,999 --> 00:58:24,190
from the p-51s from world war ii we need

1170
00:58:30,479 --> 00:58:27,009
to Vietnam footage we need the the b-29

1171
00:58:32,579 --> 00:58:30,489
okay but what what again that that

1172
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:32,589
doesn't prove their point of origin

1173
00:58:39,329 --> 00:58:35,890
right that's correct I mean you know

1174
00:58:41,849 --> 00:58:39,339
like I don't know it's just there's just

1175
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:41,859
so many elements of this you know Linda

1176
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:45,400
I wanted to ask you as far as the Hudson

1177
00:58:51,509 --> 00:58:48,900
Valley sightings go have there been any

1178
00:58:54,209 --> 00:58:51,519
abduction reports or are there people

1179
00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:54,219
who claim that they have maintained some

1180
00:59:00,809 --> 00:58:57,700
sort of contact with the beings on board

1181
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:00,819
these craft hundreds and hundreds of

1182
00:59:09,269 --> 00:59:05,440
them hundreds really yes I was stunned

1183
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:09,279
when I started my research I didn't

1184
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:13,569
expect even one I thought well that that

1185
00:59:22,019 --> 00:59:17,170
goes on in other places and the stories

1186
00:59:25,219 --> 00:59:22,029
just started coming out and many of them

1187
00:59:30,539 --> 00:59:25,229
and most often they are

1188
00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:30,549
multi-generational and it's yeah it's an

1189
00:59:39,329 --> 00:59:35,619
aspect of this whole phenomena that is

1190
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,339
just stunning and an undeniable again I

1191
00:59:46,049 --> 00:59:41,880
can't tell you exactly what's going on

1192
00:59:51,529 --> 00:59:46,059
but so many credible people going back

1193
00:59:53,999 --> 00:59:51,539
to the first case I found was 1929 I

1194
00:59:59,759 --> 00:59:54,009
interviewed a woman in her 80s who

1195
01:00:05,339 --> 00:59:59,769
started having missing time back in 1937

1196
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:05,349
and it just it just continues to the

1197
01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:09,729
present day well what do you do have any

1198
01:00:15,959 --> 01:00:12,369
other stories along those lines I mean

1199
01:00:20,959 --> 01:00:15,969
those are always fascinating I have I

1200
01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:20,969
have many many stories for the most part

1201
01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:23,260
people will

1202
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:26,740
from a very early age for example I'll

1203
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:29,890
give you one story where very early age

1204
01:00:35,309 --> 01:00:33,849
man started he thought it you know his

1205
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:35,319
parents were saying all those are just

1206
01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:39,010
that's just an imaginary friend you have

1207
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:41,700
who comes into your room at night and

1208
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:45,490
he'd experience being taken out of the

1209
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:50,250
house and you know being put on a table

1210
01:00:55,650 --> 01:00:53,170
sometimes it was missing time sometimes

1211
01:01:01,380 --> 01:00:55,660
he would remember it this went on

1212
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:01,390
through his early 20s 30s before it

1213
01:01:09,690 --> 01:01:06,540
tailed off he had an enormous amount of

1214
01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:09,700
psychological problems you know fears

1215
01:01:15,930 --> 01:01:11,589
and things obviously as a result

1216
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:15,940
physical problems as a result and he's

1217
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:19,150
still trying to deal with this very

1218
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:20,740
vivid recollections you know these

1219
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:24,490
aren't all things that you know hip you

1220
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:26,890
know hypnotic regression or coming

1221
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:30,150
through these are conscious memories and

1222
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,190
he came right out and said MIT said to

1223
01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:36,160
me you know I would shoot them all if I

1224
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:40,230
could the the hell they put him through

1225
01:01:48,660 --> 01:01:44,339
whereas another gentleman I interviewed

1226
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:48,670
he just recently found out that he and

1227
01:01:55,579 --> 01:01:52,540
his brother fifty years ago when they

1228
01:01:59,849 --> 01:01:55,589
were children had the same type of

1229
01:02:03,270 --> 01:01:59,859
experiences some sort of being coming to

1230
01:02:05,789 --> 01:02:03,280
the house taking them out neither of

1231
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:05,799
them ever talked about it and and fifty

1232
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:07,750
years later they one of them finally

1233
01:02:13,230 --> 01:02:09,910
said something and is like you had the

1234
01:02:15,870 --> 01:02:13,240
same thing happen whereas a lot of

1235
01:02:19,339 --> 01:02:15,880
people are terrified he came to look at

1236
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:19,349
it I liked his choice of words he said

1237
01:02:24,990 --> 01:02:22,240
like when you bring a sick puppy to the

1238
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:25,000
vet they're scared but there you're

1239
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:26,530
doing it for their own good

1240
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:29,710
he actually had been very sickly and

1241
01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:34,000
felt that these abductions contacts

1242
01:02:39,509 --> 01:02:36,700
whatever you want to call it he felt it

1243
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:39,519
it they helped him and actually saved

1244
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:43,599
his life but but for the most part

1245
01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:47,440
people see a craft they follow it or it

1246
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:50,950
follows them two or three hours of time

1247
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:52,690
go by

1248
01:02:58,529 --> 01:02:55,690
they have no recollection they have

1249
01:03:02,279 --> 01:02:58,539
physical marks they get both physical

1250
01:03:07,259 --> 01:03:02,289
and emotional trauma from it and it

1251
01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:07,269
happens more than once now what what

1252
01:03:10,529 --> 01:03:08,950
kind of beans are we talking about here

1253
01:03:12,779 --> 01:03:10,539
I mean is there a general consensus of

1254
01:03:15,059 --> 01:03:12,789
what they look like are you know are

1255
01:03:17,609 --> 01:03:15,069
people reporting just you know just all

1256
01:03:19,950 --> 01:03:17,619
kinds of like a plethora of different

1257
01:03:22,259 --> 01:03:19,960
types of creatures in the Hudson Valley

1258
01:03:27,390 --> 01:03:22,269
here the people who have spoken to me

1259
01:03:33,059 --> 01:03:27,400
it's mostly the short whitish or greyish

1260
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:33,069
big heads large eyes one woman told me a

1261
01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:34,960
fascinating story she and her girlfriend

1262
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:38,680
were headed to a local shopping mall you

1263
01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:42,730
know UFOs were not on their mind having

1264
01:03:48,089 --> 01:03:44,980
a good time chatting and they see

1265
01:03:50,490 --> 01:03:48,099
something in the road and she said it

1266
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:50,500
was about 6 foot tall not wearing any

1267
01:03:57,269 --> 01:03:53,650
clothes grayish and the way she said it

1268
01:03:59,609 --> 01:03:57,279
she goes those eyes those huge massive

1269
01:04:01,769 --> 01:03:59,619
eyes she said they were just it was just

1270
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:01,779
standing there in the road staring at

1271
01:04:11,069 --> 01:04:07,210
her her car passed within one foot of

1272
01:04:15,509 --> 01:04:11,079
this being standing there so they got a

1273
01:04:18,029 --> 01:04:15,519
very clear look at it and it she said it

1274
01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:18,039
just it was like it it read them like a

1275
01:04:23,849 --> 01:04:19,720
book you know she just felt these

1276
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:23,859
piercing eyes and she drove past they

1277
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,559
had no idea what it was 4years her and

1278
01:04:30,930 --> 01:04:28,720
her friend referred to it as the

1279
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:30,940
Elephant Man because they had never

1280
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:34,000
heard about grey aliens and it was like

1281
01:04:43,529 --> 01:04:36,490
20 years later especially ones that are

1282
01:04:45,410 --> 01:04:43,539
indecently exposed exactly so yeah one

1283
01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:45,420
day she said she had moved to California

1284
01:04:49,340 --> 01:04:48,220
she saw a book on somebody's coffee

1285
01:04:53,090 --> 01:04:49,350
table

1286
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:53,100
gray aliens and she says oh my god

1287
01:05:00,050 --> 01:04:57,570
that's that's what I saw so it wasn't as

1288
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:00,060
if someone was out looking for this or

1289
01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:05,850
had any preconceived notions so I have I

1290
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:08,790
have honestly been stunned by the

1291
01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:11,160
enormous amount of people who have told

1292
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:14,790
me similar stories years

1293
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:17,970
well now Linda are any messages given

1294
01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:20,940
and what is your take on all of this I

1295
01:05:24,830 --> 01:05:22,590
mean do you have any theories as to

1296
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:24,840
where they might be coming from or what

1297
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:28,110
their purpose is or why they've centered

1298
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:30,450
in on the Hudson Valley and not that

1299
01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:31,650
they haven't centered in on other

1300
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:34,260
locations because we know that there are

1301
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:38,760
other window window area is window areas

1302
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:42,090
or vortexes and portals or just plain

1303
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:44,370
good old spots that they seem to show up

1304
01:05:51,710 --> 01:05:49,200
with again and again yeah I I don't know

1305
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:51,720
again why Hudson Valley but as I said

1306
01:05:57,340 --> 01:05:53,640
you know I used to I used to work in a

1307
01:06:01,040 --> 01:05:57,350
lab we did experiments all the time and

1308
01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:01,050
certainly if you're tracking some sort

1309
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:04,470
of traits or just looking at a certain

1310
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:08,640
species over time you want generations

1311
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:11,730
of the set you know the the old fruit

1312
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:14,370
fly let's breed generations of a fruit

1313
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:16,500
fly and study their genetics you know

1314
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:18,540
where we're going back to Mendel with

1315
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:22,490
that but if you're looking to study

1316
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:27,570
human beings you would study generations

1317
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:32,130
of the same family and you know I don't

1318
01:06:37,730 --> 01:06:35,850
know for what purpose but I hear this

1319
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:37,740
time and again you know I'll interview

1320
01:06:42,260 --> 01:06:39,780
somebody and they'll tell me about their

1321
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:42,270
experiences and I said anybody else in

1322
01:06:47,390 --> 01:06:45,780
the family and they'll be like no no and

1323
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:47,400
then they'll say well you know this

1324
01:06:52,250 --> 01:06:49,110
probably doesn't have anything to do it

1325
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:52,260
but my grandmother started you know told

1326
01:06:57,860 --> 01:06:54,960
me about these experiences she had or

1327
01:07:02,990 --> 01:06:57,870
you know my mother or father and now my

1328
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:03,000
children are having this and it's

1329
01:07:10,220 --> 01:07:07,410
it's really scary it's and I you know

1330
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:10,230
either all of these hundreds of people

1331
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:14,520
are crazy or there is actually something

1332
01:07:24,110 --> 01:07:20,880
to it I I had a sighting back in 79 and

1333
01:07:25,820 --> 01:07:24,120
I thought I knew every detail I wasn't

1334
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:25,830
like these other people who didn't

1335
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:28,770
remember hi I prided myself on

1336
01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:30,930
remembering every single minute of it

1337
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:34,140
till I found the diary entry I had

1338
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:37,770
written that night and found out I have

1339
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,290
an hour of absolutely no recollection

1340
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,720
that night I was able to write that I

1341
01:07:47,450 --> 01:07:44,880
was standing by this lake with

1342
01:07:50,750 --> 01:07:47,460
binoculars watching this craft

1343
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:50,760
zigzagging back and forth I have

1344
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:53,970
absolutely no memory of that I contacted

1345
01:07:59,390 --> 01:07:56,240
my boyfriend at the time who was with me

1346
01:08:01,940 --> 01:07:59,400
he remembers at least going to the lake

1347
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:01,950
and has absolutely no memory of what

1348
01:08:08,060 --> 01:08:05,370
happened after that as well so I'm I am

1349
01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:08,070
not saying I was abducted but what I am

1350
01:08:16,690 --> 01:08:11,700
saying is that whatever energy fields

1351
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:16,700
are around this craft somehow managed to

1352
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:20,010
erase my memory it was like reading the

1353
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:22,650
words of a stranger and I still I still

1354
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,690
can't really come to grips with that

1355
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:26,880
well how about messages that are there

1356
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:29,400
any messages being given out to any of

1357
01:08:34,340 --> 01:08:31,170
these that the people I mean are they

1358
01:08:36,830 --> 01:08:34,350
they whoever they are making any comment

1359
01:08:39,230 --> 01:08:36,840
as to why they might be coming here not

1360
01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:39,240
just to the Hudson Valley area but to

1361
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:42,390
earth in general well I know a lot of

1362
01:08:46,820 --> 01:08:45,000
people around the world you know talk

1363
01:08:50,180 --> 01:08:46,830
about oh they're telling us to take

1364
01:08:53,270 --> 01:08:50,190
better care of the planet oh yeah not

1365
01:08:56,330 --> 01:08:53,280
not it that's a very good point you know

1366
01:08:59,620 --> 01:08:56,340
I don't I don't recall a single person

1367
01:09:04,540 --> 01:08:59,630
telling me there was any plan or agenda

1368
01:09:08,330 --> 01:09:04,550
they were just gone and came back and

1369
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:08,340
you know they don't see any greater

1370
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:12,089
purpose to this because I can't I'll

1371
01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:13,859
have to look into this more I'll have to

1372
01:09:19,930 --> 01:09:15,620
start asking that

1373
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:19,940
as well but no great messages of wisdom

1374
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:23,270
here just just going about their science

1375
01:09:27,670 --> 01:09:24,400
project

1376
01:09:29,530 --> 01:09:27,680
well you know that seems kind of

1377
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:29,540
mysterious though because you would well

1378
01:09:32,980 --> 01:09:31,130
it's so much yeah you can look at it

1379
01:09:34,420 --> 01:09:32,990
either way if these things were secret

1380
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:34,430
devices you know again why are they

1381
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:36,770
appearing you know at different places

1382
01:09:42,010 --> 01:09:39,170
and and not wanting to make themselves

1383
01:09:45,130 --> 01:09:42,020
known but yet you know when they do show

1384
01:09:47,740 --> 01:09:45,140
up they make a point of being observed

1385
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,750
in a lot of cases and also you know

1386
01:09:51,310 --> 01:09:49,520
after here they're coming in here from

1387
01:09:52,690 --> 01:09:51,320
some other planet well you would think

1388
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:52,700
that they would have some sort of

1389
01:09:57,070 --> 01:09:54,710
messenger why would they keep coming

1390
01:09:59,740 --> 01:09:57,080
back over and over and over again if

1391
01:10:02,350 --> 01:09:59,750
they just want to observe us or maybe do

1392
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:02,360
a couple of medical experiments I don't

1393
01:10:07,690 --> 01:10:04,910
know as if they have to pick so many

1394
01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:07,700
people I mean both things look very odd

1395
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:10,070
peculiar that's why we call the show

1396
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:12,110
exploiting the bizarre and we'll be back

1397
01:10:29,729 --> 01:10:27,149
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1398
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:29,739
two of the most electrifying researchers

1399
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:33,040
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1400
01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:40,210
Lee panting Swartz welcome back to the

1401
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:42,520
final segment of exploring the bizarre

1402
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:45,670
and Michael we have a question from the

1403
01:10:52,049 --> 01:10:48,730
chat room that somebody's hoping that

1404
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:52,059
maybe you could answer and they're

1405
01:10:58,319 --> 01:10:54,840
asking what about sky quakes in LA in

1406
01:11:00,780 --> 01:10:58,329
1992 2.2 on the Richter scale had to

1407
01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:00,790
move at hypersonic speeds trek from

1408
01:11:08,879 --> 01:11:05,159
groom Lake to point what is that Mugu

1409
01:11:10,379 --> 01:11:08,889
air a nasal naval base I remember that I

1410
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:10,389
remember when all that was going on I

1411
01:11:14,819 --> 01:11:11,679
mean there were there was a number of

1412
01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:14,829
instances where those guy crakes were

1413
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:18,760
being recorded I'm glad you mentioned

1414
01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:21,400
that because that's one of my binders

1415
01:11:26,459 --> 01:11:24,520
that I have here and a lot of these took

1416
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:26,469
place on Thursday mornings

1417
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:28,570
which is very interesting I try to break

1418
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:30,790
this down as easily as possible now a

1419
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:34,210
part of this story begins prior to the

1420
01:11:39,959 --> 01:11:36,610
Challenger disaster that's January 28

1421
01:11:44,129 --> 01:11:39,969
1986 and a part of it took place after

1422
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:44,139
but for this particular storyline I'm

1423
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:46,210
just going to break it down as fast as I

1424
01:11:49,470 --> 01:11:47,280
can

1425
01:11:52,410 --> 01:11:49,480
essentially immediately after the

1426
01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:52,420
Challenger explosion the US Air Force

1427
01:11:58,410 --> 01:11:54,940
lost what they called its assured access

1428
01:12:00,510 --> 01:11:58,420
to space because a number of payloads on

1429
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,520
the shuttles were classified DoD

1430
01:12:03,930 --> 01:12:02,320
satellites and other military

1431
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:03,940
applications we still don't know to this

1432
01:12:08,069 --> 01:12:05,770
day exactly what all those palos were

1433
01:12:10,979 --> 01:12:08,079
and so when the Challenger blew up they

1434
01:12:14,879 --> 01:12:10,989
lost that whole capability so as the

1435
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,889
story goes a desperate call went out to

1436
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:16,480
the defense contractors on the west

1437
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:19,750
coast and in st. Louis so including

1438
01:12:26,129 --> 01:12:23,500
Lockheed Northrop Boeing McDonnell

1439
01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:26,139
Douglas Rockwell International and they

1440
01:12:31,530 --> 01:12:29,020
were told to design build and test fly a

1441
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,540
two-stage to orbit hypersonic space

1442
01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:34,000
plane that could carry what they call

1443
01:12:36,420 --> 01:12:34,600
rods

1444
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:36,430
God which are depleted-uranium rounds

1445
01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:39,940
that have no warhead on and then they

1446
01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:41,470
also could be used as a synthetic

1447
01:12:46,890 --> 01:12:44,670
aperture high resolution imaging

1448
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:46,900
reconnaissance platform as well

1449
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:48,970
and according to my good friend Jim

1450
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:51,880
Goodall he believes that what people

1451
01:12:59,220 --> 01:12:56,050
were seeing during the early 1990s late

1452
01:13:01,710 --> 01:12:59,230
1980s was the end result of that program

1453
01:13:04,710 --> 01:13:01,720
called the Black Star program and this

1454
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,720
was a nuclear proliferation monitoring

1455
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:07,360
aircraft that was the the mission

1456
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:09,850
profile of a number of these different

1457
01:13:13,260 --> 01:13:11,770
vehicles so that's according to Jim

1458
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:13,270
Goodall and there there does appear to

1459
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:16,510
be some good research to back that up he

1460
01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:19,090
has a good historical background to make

1461
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,100
that statement so what we were dealing

1462
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:24,640
with here is again a two-stage to orbit

1463
01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:27,370
space plane consisting of a mothership

1464
01:13:33,810 --> 01:13:30,520
that was light gray in color operated by

1465
01:13:37,740 --> 01:13:33,820
the CIA the National Security Agency as

1466
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:37,750
a as a congruent operation that major

1467
01:13:41,850 --> 01:13:39,670
aircraft called the mothership also

1468
01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:41,860
known as elegant lady was 200 feet in

1469
01:13:47,490 --> 01:13:44,910
length as I had a 120 foot wingspan and

1470
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:47,500
just to do kind of a quick mission

1471
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,350
profile what they would do is they would

1472
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:52,960
take off from area 51 they would take up

1473
01:13:59,660 --> 01:13:56,650
a magnetic 349 degree hadn't they would

1474
01:14:03,420 --> 01:13:59,670
basically pour the coals to the aircraft

1475
01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:03,430
fly near Russia you know just right on

1476
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:05,350
the skirts of Russia then they'd make a

1477
01:14:10,170 --> 01:14:08,110
left-hand turn going down to the Middle

1478
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,180
East area they would look for any type

1479
01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:12,400
of nuclear fish animal material there

1480
01:14:17,550 --> 01:14:15,550
then they'd make another left turn pour

1481
01:14:20,490 --> 01:14:17,560
the coals to it right around Mach 8 to

1482
01:14:22,290 --> 01:14:20,500
Mach 10 then they'd hit right over

1483
01:14:24,030 --> 01:14:22,300
Hawaii and make a left-hand turn going

1484
01:14:26,610 --> 01:14:24,040
back to area 51 this is all done in

1485
01:14:29,060 --> 01:14:26,620
three hours they can do this mission in

1486
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:29,070
under three hours at those type speeds

1487
01:14:34,590 --> 01:14:33,280
the the large aircraft on the bottom of

1488
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:34,600
the aircraft and this is seen by

1489
01:14:41,460 --> 01:14:37,810
multiple eyewitnesses it has what looks

1490
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:41,470
to be a relief section kind of like

1491
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:43,620
someone took an ice-cream scooper and

1492
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:46,150
scooped out the bottom of this aircraft

1493
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,590
that

1494
01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:50,560
is to allow for a parasitic aircraft to

1495
01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:53,260
sit conformally tucked up inside the

1496
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:55,780
bottom of the mothership so right around

1497
01:15:01,140 --> 01:14:58,690
Mach 1.2 they would release from the

1498
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,150
mothership that's powered by six pratt &

1499
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:03,760
whitney jane ninety three engines at

1500
01:15:08,850 --> 01:15:06,210
about Mach 1.2 at somewhere around

1501
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:08,860
30,000 feet from that point the

1502
01:15:13,140 --> 01:15:11,409
parasitic aircraft which measures

1503
01:15:17,310 --> 01:15:13,150
approximately ninety feet in length and

1504
01:15:19,919 --> 01:15:17,320
has a crew of one can use its linear

1505
01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:19,929
aerospike engines to go up to Mach 20

1506
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,020
and that's how they can be seen and do

1507
01:15:29,939 --> 01:15:25,360
these missions that's what may have been

1508
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:29,949
booming the Catalina Island area in the

1509
01:15:36,209 --> 01:15:33,330
early 90s going up through the LA basin

1510
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:36,219
through Edwards Air Force Base near

1511
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:39,460
Tonopah and area 51 on Thursday mornings

1512
01:15:45,780 --> 01:15:41,710
always on the Thursday morning and at

1513
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:45,790
the last at the at the last part of the

1514
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:47,170
month that's usually when they were

1515
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:49,449
tested and the reason why that is is

1516
01:15:54,959 --> 01:15:52,810
because Thursday mornings are reserved

1517
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:54,969
for test flights because Monday Tuesday

1518
01:16:00,180 --> 01:15:58,090
Wednesday is the pre flight Thursdays

1519
01:16:02,729 --> 01:16:00,190
the test flight Friday's debrief and

1520
01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:02,739
generally during the late 1980s early

1521
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:06,550
1990s there were nobody at the base at

1522
01:16:10,350 --> 01:16:08,170
that time on weekend so that's why

1523
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:10,360
Thursday's are reserved for test flights

1524
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:12,610
so in a nutshell it's a Blackstar

1525
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:16,449
program according to bill Scott in the

1526
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,449
March 2006 issue of Aviation Week that

1527
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:21,520
program may have been shelved we don't

1528
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:23,920
know that for sure but there's a lot of

1529
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:25,570
eyewitnesses who have seen both the

1530
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:28,480
parasitic aircraft and the mothership so

1531
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:30,310
we can take it to the bank that there

1532
01:16:35,939 --> 01:16:34,150
was such a program as far as the status

1533
01:16:38,430 --> 01:16:35,949
of the program right now we don't know

1534
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,440
mmm

1535
01:16:44,459 --> 01:16:40,960
and again like we've said throughout the

1536
01:16:47,310 --> 01:16:44,469
program this was the 1992 correctly what

1537
01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:47,320
do they have now oh that's true here and

1538
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:48,550
here's one of the articles right here

1539
01:16:56,820 --> 01:16:52,239
this is from local news metro LA Times

1540
01:17:00,300 --> 01:16:56,830
and this is 417 1992 it says secret is

1541
01:17:01,409 --> 01:17:00,310
out on quakes it's a spy plane analysts

1542
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:01,419
believe that Aurora

1543
01:17:05,699 --> 01:17:03,550
it's not called a craft that can travel

1544
01:17:08,250 --> 01:17:05,709
4000 miles per hour could be the cause

1545
01:17:10,259 --> 01:17:08,260
of frayed morning nerves and so there's

1546
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:10,269
just article after article about these

1547
01:17:16,469 --> 01:17:13,689
booms just waking up LA residents in the

1548
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,479
early 1990s so they definitely have made

1549
01:17:22,649 --> 01:17:19,360
a breakthrough the sr-71 is not the

1550
01:17:24,689 --> 01:17:22,659
fastest aircraft anymore at this time

1551
01:17:27,899 --> 01:17:24,699
and that aircraft is still remain

1552
01:17:30,089 --> 01:17:27,909
classified to this day well okay

1553
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,099
throughout this this show we have been

1554
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:33,280
talking about aircraft that you know

1555
01:17:39,029 --> 01:17:36,239
really I mean they're they're using

1556
01:17:41,759 --> 01:17:39,039
conventional or what we would call

1557
01:17:43,739 --> 01:17:41,769
conventional you know types of jet

1558
01:17:47,370 --> 01:17:43,749
engines you know have you run across

1559
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:47,380
anything that that shows that that we've

1560
01:17:51,839 --> 01:17:49,570
gone beyond that that you know we've

1561
01:17:54,179 --> 01:17:51,849
actually achieved you know like you know

1562
01:17:58,350 --> 01:17:54,189
fueled propulsion technology or you know

1563
01:18:00,330 --> 01:17:58,360
the ability to go quickly outside of the

1564
01:18:03,389 --> 01:18:00,340
atmosphere and you know and really do

1565
01:18:05,879 --> 01:18:03,399
have a secret space program within the

1566
01:18:07,589 --> 01:18:05,889
solar system well to answer that

1567
01:18:10,469 --> 01:18:07,599
question I just wanted to follow up on

1568
01:18:12,270 --> 01:18:10,479
the fantastic research by Linda she's so

1569
01:18:14,549 --> 01:18:12,280
well-versed in this but just to get back

1570
01:18:17,549 --> 01:18:14,559
to the Hudson Valley boomerang it was

1571
01:18:20,549 --> 01:18:17,559
the March 24th 1983 Taconic State

1572
01:18:22,729 --> 01:18:20,559
Parkway which was on a Thursday that

1573
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:22,739
there were literally hundreds of people

1574
01:18:27,089 --> 01:18:25,209
that pulled off to the side of the road

1575
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,099
slammed on their brakes got out of their

1576
01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:30,239
car and we're looking at this gigantic

1577
01:18:34,679 --> 01:18:33,249
boomerang chevron v-shaped craft that

1578
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:34,689
was hovering over the Taconic State

1579
01:18:41,219 --> 01:18:38,530
Parkway silently and then shining these

1580
01:18:43,709 --> 01:18:41,229
beaming spotlights down on the cars

1581
01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:43,719
below like it was looking for something

1582
01:18:48,629 --> 01:18:45,880
and this went on multiple times this

1583
01:18:50,339 --> 01:18:48,639
wasn't the only time and one thing I

1584
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:50,349
want to point out and you guys talked

1585
01:18:56,330 --> 01:18:53,679
about this earlier is the flight

1586
01:18:59,370 --> 01:18:56,340
characteristics of this particular craft

1587
01:19:02,879 --> 01:18:59,380
when it when it did this this is March

1588
01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:02,889
24th 1983 it started out south of

1589
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:05,289
Millwood and worked its way northbound

1590
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:08,289
until it got to Yorktown Heights and it

1591
01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:10,110
was hugging the Taconic State Parkway

1592
01:19:14,910 --> 01:19:13,300
making this zigzagging maneuver as it

1593
01:19:17,670 --> 01:19:14,920
was going northbound

1594
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:17,680
like it wanted to be seen and then the

1595
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:20,290
point I want to bring out and Linda has

1596
01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:21,610
already mentioned this as well

1597
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:24,430
those eyewitnesses that saw both the

1598
01:19:30,420 --> 01:19:27,730
planes flying together that we're trying

1599
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,430
to mock this Hudson Valley boomerang and

1600
01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:32,560
the the same eyewitnesses who saw the

1601
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,790
actual UFO craft when they compared

1602
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:39,040
notes there was no comparison they saw

1603
01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:42,610
two completely different vehicles there

1604
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:44,260
was no confusing one for the other

1605
01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:46,360
that's the point and the way I try to

1606
01:19:52,650 --> 01:19:50,260
highlight this over the radio the best

1607
01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:52,660
way to do this that I can think of is if

1608
01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:54,940
you took a brand-new white sheet of

1609
01:20:00,300 --> 01:19:56,500
eight-and-a-half by 11 piece of paper

1610
01:20:04,110 --> 01:20:00,310
and then you break out five multicolored

1611
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:04,120
magic markers and you and you draw like

1612
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:08,800
ten dots on this paper red green yellow

1613
01:20:16,260 --> 01:20:13,380
blue and maybe orange you can just pick

1614
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:16,270
five different colors and make ten dots

1615
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:18,250
on this piece of paper when you're done

1616
01:20:21,150 --> 01:20:18,880
with that

1617
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:21,160
turn the piece of paper over so the dots

1618
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:24,490
are facing the table that you just drew

1619
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:26,410
these on now take a number two pencil

1620
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:29,290
and stab that piece of paper right

1621
01:20:34,890 --> 01:20:32,050
through the center and then with your

1622
01:20:38,580 --> 01:20:34,900
index finger and your thumb with the

1623
01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:38,590
paper being impaled on that pencil spin

1624
01:20:42,990 --> 01:20:41,020
that piece of paper and if you look at

1625
01:20:45,930 --> 01:20:43,000
the bottom you'll see that all those

1626
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,940
dots that you drew they all move

1627
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:48,400
perfectly information like they're

1628
01:20:54,030 --> 01:20:51,370
embedded in concrete that is the flight

1629
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,040
characteristic that people saw during

1630
01:20:59,070 --> 01:20:56,080
the Takata State Parkway you absolutely

1631
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,080
cannot get that kind of level of

1632
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,120
accuracy with planes flying information

1633
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:03,280
that's why we know that this was one

1634
01:21:08,370 --> 01:21:05,890
single craft and not ultralights not

1635
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:08,380
Cessnas not Piper's flying information

1636
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:14,260
it's a done deal so we're dealing with

1637
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:16,450
an aircraft then that is using a really

1638
01:21:21,870 --> 01:21:17,890
exotic technology

1639
01:21:24,729 --> 01:21:21,880
well we not only that but the same type

1640
01:21:27,220 --> 01:21:24,739
of bottom under structure

1641
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,230
and this similar type of beaming light

1642
01:21:32,260 --> 01:21:29,360
shining down was also seen on the

1643
01:21:33,790 --> 01:21:32,270
January 5th 2000 sighting and on the

1644
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:33,800
vault belgium triangle but on the

1645
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:36,320
january 5th 2000 sighting when the

1646
01:21:41,050 --> 01:21:38,450
lights were shining down they didn't hit

1647
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:41,060
the ground they stopped halfway so

1648
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:42,770
there's a there's a technology there now

1649
01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:44,930
again I'm not saying that all of it's

1650
01:21:50,650 --> 01:21:48,020
man-made probably a major majority of it

1651
01:21:52,270 --> 01:21:50,660
and Linda talked about earlier 1909

1652
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:52,280
skunkworks didn't even exist back then

1653
01:21:57,550 --> 01:21:55,250
so who is building these but just going

1654
01:22:00,459 --> 01:21:57,560
by the eyewitness reports and nothing

1655
01:22:03,190 --> 01:22:00,469
else just the eyewitness reports we are

1656
01:22:08,350 --> 01:22:03,200
absolutely dealing with a single piece

1657
01:22:10,690 --> 01:22:08,360
of a craft that is a chevron twice as

1658
01:22:13,450 --> 01:22:10,700
large as a football field in many cases

1659
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:13,460
Edie Burns concurs with that heave and

1660
01:22:18,250 --> 01:22:15,650
he's no longer with us but he said he's

1661
01:22:23,229 --> 01:22:18,260
sure that this is one solid craft we've

1662
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:23,239
got multiple eyewitnesses in the night

1663
01:22:27,130 --> 01:22:25,370
siege book that talked about how they're

1664
01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:27,140
they have no no doubts that they're

1665
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:29,300
dealing with one simple solid craft

1666
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:38,450
I remember seeing a film that was it was

1667
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:41,390
taken at a day a Soviet Air Force Base

1668
01:22:47,290 --> 01:22:42,770
probably in the I think it was in the

1669
01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:47,300
early 1970s that had been it released

1670
01:22:53,530 --> 01:22:49,820
you know after the collapse of the

1671
01:22:57,670 --> 01:22:53,540
Soviet Union a lot of UFO papers and

1672
01:23:02,200 --> 01:22:57,680
films and things like that you know got

1673
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:02,210
released but this the this this this

1674
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:04,400
movie I mean it basically it showed you

1675
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:05,810
know people on the tarmac of this Air

1676
01:23:14,350 --> 01:23:07,520
Force Base who get up in the sky and

1677
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:14,360
there was a a white chevron aircraft

1678
01:23:20,350 --> 01:23:17,690
flying over this base very high up and

1679
01:23:23,740 --> 01:23:20,360
looking nothing like any kind of

1680
01:23:25,780 --> 01:23:23,750
aircraft that I had ever seen before and

1681
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:25,790
like I said this this was this took

1682
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:28,390
place in the probably in the early 1970s

1683
01:23:36,130 --> 01:23:33,650
so and yeah so obviously somebody has

1684
01:23:36,610 --> 01:23:36,140
had this kind of technology for quite a

1685
01:23:38,170 --> 01:23:36,620
while

1686
01:23:41,530 --> 01:23:38,180
well well Timmy

1687
01:23:42,910 --> 01:23:41,540
you've written about Nikola Tesla mmm in

1688
01:23:46,860 --> 01:23:42,920
fact I think you've been doing some

1689
01:23:49,180 --> 01:23:46,870
secret research in projects just

1690
01:23:51,670 --> 01:23:49,190
recently that will soon they hear about

1691
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:51,680
now do you think that Tesla could have

1692
01:23:58,420 --> 01:23:54,410
been involved with some of this well I

1693
01:24:02,920 --> 01:23:58,430
got I don't think he was personally yeah

1694
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:02,930
but I mean he definitely in his research

1695
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:10,900
effects that we would now call field

1696
01:24:16,020 --> 01:24:13,970
propulsion you know or you know some

1697
01:24:20,770 --> 01:24:16,030
people have called it electrogravitics

1698
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:20,780
you know and definitely a lot of his

1699
01:24:30,580 --> 01:24:25,130
material you know before he died was

1700
01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:30,590
stolen probably by German the German spy

1701
01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:33,260
a system that was established on the

1702
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:40,460
East Coast in the early 1930s but then

1703
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:42,110
it then you had the United States after

1704
01:24:50,050 --> 01:24:46,660
he died I mean they they got hold of

1705
01:24:54,930 --> 01:24:50,060
trucks several truckloads like 80

1706
01:24:59,170 --> 01:24:54,940
barrels of material from Tesla that

1707
01:25:05,500 --> 01:24:59,180
supposedly had information about you

1708
01:25:08,020 --> 01:25:05,510
know his more exotic research that has

1709
01:25:09,940 --> 01:25:08,030
never been seen except for just there

1710
01:25:11,620 --> 01:25:09,950
are various notes that came out of like

1711
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,630
wright-patterson Air Force Base you know

1712
01:25:16,090 --> 01:25:13,520
he lived he lived right around the

1713
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:16,100
corner here in the in New Yorker Hotel I

1714
01:25:19,420 --> 01:25:17,810
also feel like going down to the

1715
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:19,430
basement and see if there's some really

1716
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:23,810
old boxes laying around somewhere

1717
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:26,810
well apparently from what I have been

1718
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:31,550
told there is actually an elevator that

1719
01:25:39,450 --> 01:25:34,610
goes down into a sub-basement where

1720
01:25:43,450 --> 01:25:39,460
there is a tunnel system that leads to

1721
01:25:47,950 --> 01:25:43,460
the train station that could take you

1722
01:25:50,419 --> 01:25:47,960
from the The New Yorker to Washington DC

1723
01:25:53,149 --> 01:25:50,429
without being seen on the surface

1724
01:25:54,949 --> 01:25:53,159
I don't know it's the problems I've been

1725
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:54,959
having with Amtrak and all it seems you

1726
01:26:05,659 --> 01:26:02,270
well the other thing about the New

1727
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:05,669
Yorker apparently is that the generator

1728
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:08,610
that they have in that building you know

1729
01:26:15,850 --> 01:26:11,249
it was put in when the building was was

1730
01:26:19,879 --> 01:26:15,860
built but the generator can generate a

1731
01:26:22,669 --> 01:26:19,889
power surplus what they say is like five

1732
01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:22,679
times more than the building could

1733
01:26:28,429 --> 01:26:25,649
actually use you know we years ago we

1734
01:26:29,959 --> 01:26:28,439
used to have some when I was running the

1735
01:26:32,659 --> 01:26:29,969
New York school of occult Arts and

1736
01:26:35,659 --> 01:26:32,669
Sciences we would actually rent one of

1737
01:26:38,419 --> 01:26:35,669
their meeting rooms I mean in those said

1738
01:26:40,279 --> 01:26:38,429
she could rent a meeting room for 35 or

1739
01:26:42,290 --> 01:26:40,289
you know 50 dollars or something like

1740
01:26:44,119 --> 01:26:42,300
that and it reminds me it was like on a

1741
01:26:47,389 --> 01:26:44,129
dark and stormy night with a hurricane

1742
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:47,399
coming in and we had one night we had a

1743
01:26:53,299 --> 01:26:50,249
fairly small turnout but people were

1744
01:26:56,419 --> 01:26:53,309
very very much into it I hope they've

1745
01:26:58,580 --> 01:26:56,429
all got home alright but yeah we used to

1746
01:27:00,589 --> 01:26:58,590
yeah I don't think I knew in those days

1747
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:00,599
that that was the Tesla's you know

1748
01:27:05,689 --> 01:27:02,610
headquarters we we weren't quite into

1749
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:05,699
Tesla yet at that at that time this

1750
01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:09,840
would have been in oh you know like 60

1751
01:27:16,279 --> 01:27:14,129
issue 64 or something like that I don't

1752
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,289
remember the exact year and no no nobody

1753
01:27:23,179 --> 01:27:19,199
was remembering Tesla then well we did

1754
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:23,189
actually we did we did a book we

1755
01:27:31,489 --> 01:27:27,209
published it was my nickel otezla man of

1756
01:27:34,759 --> 01:27:31,499
mystery which has now been reprinted as

1757
01:27:39,109 --> 01:27:34,769
help me out with the title here Tim

1758
01:27:43,009 --> 01:27:39,119
about odissey car and a Tesla oh yeah

1759
01:27:44,869 --> 01:27:43,019
yeah it's called mini mystery metal

1760
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:44,879
mystery okay

1761
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,159
it used to be man of mystery that was

1762
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,199
better this minute mister yeah Otis

1763
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:51,360
Carmichael intentionally yeah but now

1764
01:27:58,299 --> 01:27:54,780
we've had we've had that Tesla was all

1765
01:28:01,069 --> 01:27:58,309
flying to Mars and stuff but you know a

1766
01:28:04,010 --> 01:28:01,079
Crenshaw Dennis Crenshaw I didn't he

1767
01:28:06,490 --> 01:28:04,020
write a book about some seek

1768
01:28:10,850 --> 01:28:06,500
society or club that actually had

1769
01:28:12,860 --> 01:28:10,860
working aerial devices before the turn

1770
01:28:14,450 --> 01:28:12,870
of I was gonna say the turn into the

1771
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:14,460
century but which one we don't you know

1772
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:16,080
turned in 1900

1773
01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:18,930
oh yeah well yeah we had well we had

1774
01:28:24,050 --> 01:28:21,780
won't propose Leon our show a month or

1775
01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:24,060
so ago remember and he was talking about

1776
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:27,510
his research into the corona aerial Club

1777
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:31,380
you know in California yes there the

1778
01:28:38,780 --> 01:28:34,260
research went back maybe as far as pre

1779
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:38,790
Civil War you know kind of like exotic

1780
01:28:42,260 --> 01:28:40,770
flying machines not just the you know

1781
01:28:45,020 --> 01:28:42,270
kite like structures or the Wright

1782
01:28:46,820 --> 01:28:45,030
brothers oh no no no yeah Michael how

1783
01:28:50,170 --> 01:28:46,830
about some of these rather exotic

1784
01:28:53,020 --> 01:28:50,180
theories that go along with the exotic

1785
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:53,030
aircraft that they could have bases

1786
01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:56,850
underground or they can have bases on

1787
01:29:03,740 --> 01:28:59,580
the Dark Side of the Moon or inside the

1788
01:29:05,930 --> 01:29:03,750
earth any credence to any of those let

1789
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:05,940
me give you the words of the skunkworks

1790
01:29:12,380 --> 01:29:08,250
vice president and general manager Rob

1791
01:29:14,270 --> 01:29:12,390
Wiese this is from page 196 of a new

1792
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:14,280
book called the projects of the skunk

1793
01:29:18,260 --> 01:29:16,110
works so you're getting this directly

1794
01:29:22,010 --> 01:29:18,270
from the horse's mouth he says here on

1795
01:29:25,220 --> 01:29:22,020
page 196 quote about 80% of the group's

1796
01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:25,230
work is classified the other 20% we can

1797
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:28,500
talk about so right there what has the

1798
01:29:32,630 --> 01:29:30,510
skunk works been doing the last 50 years

1799
01:29:34,460 --> 01:29:32,640
that we don't know about what have they

1800
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:34,470
been doing during the Reagan

1801
01:29:39,500 --> 01:29:37,050
administration during that eight-year

1802
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:39,510
time frame all the billions that were

1803
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:41,250
poured into the skunk works what did

1804
01:29:47,150 --> 01:29:43,650
they build that's what we need to find

1805
01:29:50,690 --> 01:29:47,160
out yeah and they're not gonna let us

1806
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:50,700
know anytime soon well it just always

1807
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:52,970
makes me think of you know like the

1808
01:29:58,520 --> 01:29:56,610
supposed quotes from Ben wrench which

1809
01:30:00,140 --> 01:29:58,530
you know I mean some people say yeah I

1810
01:30:02,510 --> 01:30:00,150
said this and then other people say no

1811
01:30:03,890 --> 01:30:02,520
they were taken out of context you know

1812
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:03,900
like a lot of the lines of you know we

1813
01:30:10,370 --> 01:30:06,570
have the technology now to take e.t home

1814
01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:10,380
or what was some of the other ones is

1815
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:11,580
like

1816
01:30:20,030 --> 01:30:13,920
we've got stuff that would make the

1817
01:30:21,980 --> 01:30:20,040
director of Star Wars drool and so you

1818
01:30:26,420 --> 01:30:21,990
know it's just you know to me it's

1819
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:26,430
always it's always fascinating to to

1820
01:30:29,630 --> 01:30:28,050
speculate because I mean they're not

1821
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:29,640
gonna let us know anytime soon just

1822
01:30:38,210 --> 01:30:32,370
exactly you know what that what they

1823
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:38,220
have but as as our producer said you

1824
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:41,250
know during our breaks you know more

1825
01:30:47,060 --> 01:30:44,610
than likely that the they are using a

1826
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:47,070
technology that's you know probably at

1827
01:30:54,050 --> 01:30:50,450
least fifty years ahead of civilian

1828
01:30:56,030 --> 01:30:54,060
technology that's precisely what Ben

1829
01:30:58,960 --> 01:30:56,040
Ridge said just before he passed away so

1830
01:31:03,710 --> 01:30:58,970
you almost quoted him exactly correctly

1831
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:03,720
hmm well unfortunately we only have a

1832
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:06,300
few minutes left in our show so I'd like

1833
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:09,120
to give both you and Linda a chance to

1834
01:31:15,410 --> 01:31:13,440
tell our audience where they can find

1835
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,420
out more about you websites things like

1836
01:31:21,710 --> 01:31:17,600
that Linda why don't you go first

1837
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:21,720
certainly my books are on Amazon you can

1838
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:23,490
get in touch with me through my website

1839
01:31:31,490 --> 01:31:27,210
go to Zim comm G OTO

1840
01:31:33,860 --> 01:31:31,500
Z I am calm and if you would like to see

1841
01:31:36,710 --> 01:31:33,870
Michael and I in person we are going to

1842
01:31:41,570 --> 01:31:36,720
be at the western Connecticut conference

1843
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:41,580
no way the Danbury library on October

1844
01:31:48,710 --> 01:31:46,290
14th it's expected to fill up quickly if

1845
01:31:49,730 --> 01:31:48,720
you enjoyed listening to Michael which I

1846
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:49,740
certainly did tonight

1847
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:51,810
you are certainly going to enjoy seeing

1848
01:31:56,300 --> 01:31:54,510
him in person well that's that's a what

1849
01:31:58,820 --> 01:31:56,310
that's a wonderful disclosure now a

1850
01:32:00,860 --> 01:31:58,830
little what are the titles of your books

1851
01:32:03,980 --> 01:32:00,870
I have one here on the zombie apocalypse

1852
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:03,990
I closely guard that so it's not

1853
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:07,920
snatched away I'm working on the third

1854
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:10,980
of the trilogy of the my zombie novels

1855
01:32:17,150 --> 01:32:14,370
but if you are interested in the UFO

1856
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:17,160
books it's in the night sky which

1857
01:32:22,260 --> 01:32:21,420
there's also a documentary DVD based on

1858
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:22,270
that

1859
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:26,050
if it's been taken off the market or

1860
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:29,290
what him that's available at the

1861
01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:32,410
production company that yeah I still

1862
01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:34,480
have some copies that used to be

1863
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:37,000
available on Amazon but they're not

1864
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:40,090
there anymore now oh okay maybe they

1865
01:32:46,380 --> 01:32:42,910
need to print some more and the other

1866
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:46,390
two books are Hudson Valley UFOs and the

1867
01:32:52,650 --> 01:32:50,200
latest one is more Hudson Valley UFOs

1868
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:52,660
we need more Hudson Valley and what's

1869
01:32:54,810 --> 01:32:54,310
the latest sighting there just make it

1870
01:32:59,580 --> 01:32:54,820
quick

1871
01:33:02,520 --> 01:32:59,590
ah later sighting would probably be a

1872
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:02,530
rectangular craft in the Pine Bush area

1873
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:05,050
all right good old pine Bush and Michael

1874
01:33:10,530 --> 01:33:08,170
you take it away well I can be contacted

1875
01:33:12,900 --> 01:33:10,540
on Facebook and all of my lectures are

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on YouTube and so you can view some of

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the information there but Facebook

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probably the best way and there is also

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you can download a book that you did

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about the crashed UFOs and Leonard

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Stringfield

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that is available on the Mew phone

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website that is correct well actually if

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you just type it in on Google it appears

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on about three websites might yeah but

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it's a it's one of the better books on

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the the subject and we have to have you

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back to talk about that topic because we

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didn't really get a chance to and get

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into it and Tim what is our big news of

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the week we are about to release

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tomorrow a copy of the book the first

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book that I ever wrote and published

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inside the sorcerer's it was done in

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1963 and 1964 but it's it's it's an

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excellent book you'd never think that a

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bunch of teenagers put it together

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that's in China saucers and don't forget

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our YouTube channel

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mister UFOs secret archives and you can

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of course listen anytime to some very

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amazing programs on Casey

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o our radio and Thank You Tina

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our producer thank you Tim and thank you

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for our wonderful evening Linda

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you've been listening to exploring the

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jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their combines

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Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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Swartz check out their K cor digital

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